Cozy Migration Problems

[jassanja]

Migration...

...because we want a new start
and still a lot of people are only willing to move because they can take all old entries and comments with to the new place.

Is it a new start when you only move if all of your friends do too?

Can you only feel cozy on DW if you have the same communities with the same name and maintainers?

Already I have seen people who don't really want to participate in open or closed beta but still hunt for codes like maniacs just because they need to be the maintainers of a certain community and are afraid that someone else will be faster and "steal" the community because the "enemy" is elitist enough to have gotten a code.

There are of course other code hunting maniacs:
Either they want into the closed beta to prove - to the world or just themself - that they belong to the elitist and/or BNF crowd.

Others just want to make sure to safe a certain name in case they will one day be "forced" to move because everybody else has already done.

Others cling to LJ just like they did to maillists and the usenet in the past.
I have been unfriended on LJ by a DW critic just because I announced to have a DW account.
They feel like they don't matter enough as soon as they see DW mentioned on a flist and hate users who only allow comments on DW, because using OpenID is either "too complicated" or "giving in to the new enemy that is DW"

Comments

[feuervogel]

Saw your post linked in the LJ metafandom comments.

I think my main purpose for coming here was to get a fresh start, though I did import my LJ (it's all private, except some posts I opened up) and the comments (which I screened on all the posts I unlocked.)

Also, it's kind of like LJ back when I joined in 2001: smaller. I'm not necessarily looking to make a ton of friends or whatever; I found some communities that look cool and started one because I thought it might be fun.

I don't get into fandom qua fandom; I couldn't tell you who any BNFs are. Sure, I belong to a bunch of comms for shows I like, but does Avatar have BNFs? Good Omens? *shrug* I like to discuss plot points, characters, and occasionally read fanfic. (Mostly I skim or skip, if it's not a story I'm interested in. Yay for cut tags and summaries.)

So I don't get the hate, the anti, whatever. I don't plan to leave LJ, unless our new Russian overlords do something awful. Most of my friends are staying there, and the ones coming here are AFAICT planning to use both (some crossposting, some using each for different purposes.)

[anjak_j]

Others cling to LJ just like they did to maillists and the usenet in the past.

That's a bit unfair to be honest. I'm not clinging to LJ - I'm staying there mostly because lo, I actually have friends outside of fandom and while fandom is part of my life, it isn't actually everything. What shocking concepts.

They feel like they don't matter enough as soon as they see DW mentioned on a flist and hate users who only allow comments on DW, because using OpenID is either "too complicated" or "giving in to the new enemy that is DW"

You can easily flip that over because no doubt there are DW folk who have struck friends off for not following like sheeple, refusing to lower themselves to sign into LJ to comment to friends who've decided they want to stay put. I have no problem with anyone being a devotee of DW - diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks and all, but why should the onus be on me to bend over backwards to check in with people who've decided to leave? Relationships are two-way.

Since pretty much anything I post on DW will be posted on LJ too, I fully intend to allow comments only on LJ, since that is what serves the largest section of my interests as I see it at present.

I don't see DW as 'the enemy', just as another service that I might grow to love and that might serve a specific section of my interests. I just wish that people who are converts to DW would stop talking about LJ like it is the enemy - it's not. It's just a service that doesn't serve their interests any more and one has been created here that does. It really doesn't have to be one or the other if both sides try being more flexible.

[anjak_j]

Oh, should have said - here from a link someone posted on metafandom

[alex_beecroft]

One of the things I like most about this whole interoperability thing is that eventually it's not going to matter what platform you're on. Already I blog mostly on my WP blog, but I get comments from people on LJ and DW. I like that. I like the feeling that suddenly you're not confined to choosing any one service. You can have them all! And that way if one starts acting flakey like LJ during strikethrough, you don't stand to lose everything by leaving. I don't think I have to choose between DW and LJ - I don't see why I can't have both, and WP too. (If I could add Blogger in too, that would be a bonus ;) )

[jassanja]

Yes, good point, things will become more flexible, and platform owners must realize that they can't keep users bound only to their service

[boosette]

I grabbed parrots, neopets and tmi because I wanted them to be a comms and not users. (I hope hope hope that someone will show up to co-mod because I am terrible at doing this myself.)

I'm tempted to do the same with vegetarian (but also so that I can enforce an antmosphere of respect there. I've refrained because I'm no longer a vegetarian.)

[jassanja]

If you really try to turn that into real communities, then I see no problem in getting those.
The problem is getting them only so you have them, but not really do something with it

[boosette]

Oh absolutely, DW is my primary journaling home now - I post here & interact here and plan on turning off commenting at LJ once we're out of open beta - I just have a very laizzes-faire style of comm moderation that I'm not sure will work with larger comms (I hope they flourish unto the point where this becomes an issue!).

Snagging usernames just to have them/keep others from them isn't cool (although in specific instances I can see how it might be acceptable for very well-known comms like pornish_pixies? even though I don't like it.).

[jassanja]

I'm not a fan of overmooding a community either.
I am a moderator on a big community for a book series/author on LJ, and we're lucky that we only have a problematic entry once every few months.

I partly agree on names of big communities.
On one hand I can understand of wantig to protect the name from people who just want to have it, on the other hand it would be interresting to see what other people could make out of a community like Pornish pixies (like another close comm, just with other artists)